DS1 Legendary Mod for DS2 Beta Thread

Heirloom Sword II quest problem.

It does not seem to matter whether or not I give the sword to the guy in part 1 or not. When I get to the prison the quest log does not update for finding the prison and the NIS cutscreen sequence does not play preventing the quest from being completed

:?

- why can't I hire anybody at the inn in Elddim..?
- as far as I can see I have all the necessary resources in place

- I get the initial dialogue, from say Arrisu
- but she doesn't join my party..
- neither does the big guy, even though the innkeeper has taken the 300

- (??)

Real life has been claiming much of my time recently, but this one I could pin down quickly through having kept older versions of the downloads in a warehouse folder.

Problem is that when talking to either the hireable dryad or the hireable half-giant at Elddim you get the thanks-for-hiring-me convo (with of course no option to actually hire) instead of the will-you-hire-me convo.

Problem was introduced by upgrading from DS1_Mod_Logic_Beta31c (2,666 KB) to DS1_Mod_Logic_Beta31g (7,412 KB), just over a month ago.

I'm (also) looking that this matter.

Just as reference to find technichal issues (there are meanwhile several custom components and routines involved when hiring actors) I am 'working' and test actor to hire on the Diablosh map.

It's actully more work as it seems, specially when leaving the basic/rough implementation as we have them on GPG's maps.

A couple of weird items

Water looks strange and I think a chest or something is missing from the Reagent seller

Blacksmith's quest and in Eirulen.

In fixing the conversations so that all options exist (hired, rejected, view skills, etc), it requires that both the DS_Mod_Logic file be updated (done and posted) as well as the conversations and instances in the maps (done but currently only KOE posted).

It's probably good news that players are now moving onto the other maps as it means the outstanding issues with KOE is relatively small. I've ben fixing these (up to the end of Glitterdelve mines and working on the broken fades preventing re-entering the mines from the end) and so far the only things not fixed is the slightly out of alignment radar in the crypts (though the sanctuary rooms now show in the radar) and getting Alanna's icon to change when the quest is updated. Occasionally monsters will still get stuck on the scenery or each other as well but short of removing all such monsters completely from the map, I don't see how to fix this for all such possible situations.

I've also looked into how Broken World checks the map difficulty when starting a new map and can't find anything where this is defined in the gas files so I believe everyone is right when they say it's hard coded, though maybe it could still be circumnavigated with some nifty flick work? In Broken World the map difficulty is defined as completed when you talk to Kirani after defeating the Dark Wizard at the end. The check is a standard SetLocalJournalBool for the current Map Mode and defining ds2x_world_completed mercenary/veteran/elite as true, true. This is exactly like DS2 and Sharkull's test map and what I use in the Legendary maps.

I also played around with load_game.gas in the UI folder and was able to get the UI to show all map modes available at the beginning but of course you still couldn't play the other map modes as no map checks are done in the UI.

So it looks like that in DS2 you can play the Legendary Maps (and all custom maps with the correct SetLocalJournalBool defined) in all map modes but not in Broken World.

EDIT# I checked the two areas in an unmodded DS2 running from Broken World and everything seemed to be the same. I also didn't see any chests that were missing. More info required please, including highlighting exactly what you think is wrong.

DS2 uses a lot of DS1 assets so any graphical changes I made to the DS1 objects in the mod will change their appearance in DS2 but this should only extend to textures. All meshes were untouched or should be. A comparison picture would be invaluable in detecting exactly what is wrong in the scene and I will try later on today if someone else doesn't do it first.

Your shader settings effects the water, I prefer turning them off but apart from that it appears like it always had (even before the mod) as far as I can remember.

Without a definite location of the chest/s, it's hard to be certain but the MLA does affect chests in DS2 so its possible there's a minor error which prevents one particular chest type from spawning.

I currently have DS1_Mod_Logic_Beta31m.ds2res installed in my Resources file
it is occupying 19,387KB in space, so I guess there have been many additions along the way..??

The biggest culprits in terms of size are the new skybox images. Anything less than 1024x1024 looks rather shabby when painted onto the sky and the one used in Gom's arena is 2048x2048 which is 4Mb each and there's 6 images in each skybox.

EDIT c.15:25 - I think I've finally finished adding my afterthoughts into the middle of this!

@sigofmugmort has already reported the two incantation shrines removed from side caves in Glitterdelve but still present on the radar.

By the way, could the DCs be changed so that the shaft of green light appears only on the currently operational DC? That way you'd know for certain when you'd turned one on, however quickly the little message disappears from bottom left corner of the screen. Turning on the effect with the handle would be cool.

When listing main quests I noticed how many of them are given or updated now in NIS, so took I it, Iryan, that you meant to do that for the rest, which would be better even with the surplus secondary quests eliminated. So for Gyorn, yes, give him the yellow ? for primary quest updater (finisher). When one talks to him, or maybe even walks towards him, have an NIS for his speech completing the quest from Norick and activating the new one about going to Glacern. After the NIS change his icon to the shields for a hireable NPC, so players can choose to talk to him or to wait until after buying an extra slot from the innkeeper.

Would this approach mean putting more of what Merik says back into the NIS for breaking him free?

Some of the NPCs are not as they were in the original, I presume because in the early days of this mod DS1 costumes had not been converted and only DS2 archetypes were available. One such who stands out is the "Old man" just before you enter Wesrin Cross, where the original had a young man Ilandro, sole survivor (because he outran his comrades?) of a minstrel troupe. Suggestion: have this NPC disappear towards Stonebridge (i.e. back the way you've come and made safe for him) after you talk to him, as DS2 can do.

E31#093 Something I expect you know: how to (not) open Glitterdelve Pass for the soldiers. Emerge from Wesrin Cross, walk up to the rocks piled against the gate (go right next to them), shake your head and walk away without touching that dangerous-looking red barrel. The quest to clear the way has now been triggered complete.

Everybody seems to be happy with Gresh as a boss who raised skeletons to attack the fortress but who fights personally with a sword, so is easy prey for a party that runs around using spells and bows. In the original he had both a spell and a melee attack. I wondered if his melee attack - a pair of flaming whip-thongs - could hit multiple opponents at once, but whether it could or not it was best to force him into melee because his spell was so dangerous - if one was unlucky then a single-hit KO on a quite well armored character I seem to remember, and instakill on a mage in robes (eg Merik). (Was it fire ball or fire skull? Slow enough to be dodged if you had the target character selected.) Not that I'd want Gresh quite that dangerous in DS2.

Could it be even worse: characters perceiving the world as it is on radar, that is the 3D world projected onto 2D? A character knows where a monster is behind a wall or round the corner of a tunnel, but arrows shot as a result will be stopped by the wall (even if the wall is a transparent one made of dripping water!) whereas floors seem not to stop arrows at all.

Veteran and elite levels, or even taking an existing party into mercenary KoE: should the starting positions be restricted so that you have only your hero at the farmhouse, with the rest of your party in the inn at Stonebridge? Similarly at Elddim and at Arhok, though there it would only be a matter of style. (To me LoA's intro like KoE's implies a single starting hero whereas UA's does not.)

(I'd like to believe KoE could be made playable with MLA off (with a bit of time and effort that maybe the developers would rather spend elsewhere) by tuning the monster levels for a "standard" run with a new character. Level 1 Phraks for example instead of level 60!)

Richard, No it is not the last chance to comment on KoE. Iryan was just saying that since there have been no major bugs he can look into things with the other maps.

Incidentally something I may have to include in the mod is the Disband Mod by FreakCandy, which allows you to release any characters from the Inn, not just Pets. This is because if you play all the Legendary Maps plus DS2 and Broken World, you will not be able to recruit after a certain point (I forget exactly what the number is now but there was a thread discussing this somewhere). We did look at expanding this number in the Inn but it seems to be hard coded.

That's not currently implemented but the surplus quests have been eliminated. Personally it doesn't worry me if the player chooses to ignore quests, even the main ones, though at least a couple points in the game a main quest task has to be completed to continue the game.

You are correct about the DS1 npcs, they weren't fully converted until a few map revisions had already been done. That's a good idea which I can implement but I'm not sure whether or not in the current version as I'm already at Glacern.

Yes KillerGremal had already drawn my attention to that plus the fact that the surrounding boulders can be destroyed by AOE without the barrel going off. Yet to be fixed.

Regardless my current implementation is to trigger the monsters from generators, similar to UP and Yesterhaven. Yet to be tested.

One issue I can think off is that even if a party member is grayed out, you can select their portrait in the UI and instantly be at their position. So theoretically you could be at Stonebridge with the rest of your party leaving the hero alone and cutoff at the farmhouse?

As well as the other maps. This is on the top to list as it has been mentioned and asked for before. Reasonably easy to implement but possibly hard to balance but I'm sure there would be enough feedback to help out with that. I will endeavour to have the first setup ready for the next version for players to try out.

Main problem will be to turn the effect off again on the (previous) DC if a further DC is touched. Such a support could/should be added in the component probably, otherwise when using the current effect emitter component a huge trigger had to be added on each DC in order to turn of all the other DCs - that would be quite painful!(?)
It may be that the existing effect emitter component would be useless then, but it could used for something else or something to underline the teleporting nature of this object.

2.2, Logic 31m, World 31m, Mod-DS1Content-Alpha10x, MLA 5m

E31m#094 When Glacern gets reloaded the male legionnaires are missing (archers, swordsmen and officers). I thought at first this was a problem with my save file, but it also happened returning from the house basement with the secret area.

Matters arising:

24/11/2014 21:55 (Glacern 2) party, radar, party.bak1, radar.bak1 (only 1KB), party.bak2, radar.bak2 (1KB) and party.bak3

24/11/2014 20:32 (Glacern 1) party.bak4, radar.bak3

22/11/2014 22:50 (Snow Highlands) party.bak5, radar.bak4

Renaming and reloading, I discovered that though timestamped 21:55, party.ds2bak1 basically contained my party as in the earlier 20:32 save (not just the members but their inventory too). The file is 47KB though whereas the 20:32 party file was 44KB (as are the 21:55 bak2 and bak3; the correct save is a 46KB party file).

Monsters: with monster-adjust-declared I've noticed that the three melee snow-Krug types are all the same (Tracker, Hunter and Forager), and that Furok Slashers are the same as Furoks. With the Furok specializing base-actor-evil-melee-strong, perhaps melee-strong-tank for the Slasher?

The problem with missing NPCs that my new-for-31m hero is experiencing, I cannot make happen with a different party I've taken back there. (It was my half-giant who started out in 31g and was last saved at Jeriah's 31j.)

If a save file is good then it should stay good whatever happens afterwards, so now two of us have had regions (towns) where NPCs are mysteriously missing when we return either by restarting or otherwise. Now I do remember times in DS1 and again once in DS2's map with no mods - maybe before I'd applied the 2.2 patch - when things went wrong and if I restarted from the last save went wrong again so the problem must have been set up some time before it manifested. Maybe game memory was corrupted from outside or maybe the game engine itself was to blame. The only answer is to restart from several saves back and hope one is before whatever it was happened that set the campaign up to eventually fail.

By the way, those missing Klaws (my report E31i#076 expanding @sigofmugmort's report): it is just possible to avoid completely the trigger patch for that ambush by going to the right, especially with only a single character moving.

Notes from Eldim:

Reminder, If you clear the Orchard Basement BEFORE getting the quest the quest will fail.

The Krug Apprentice looks different then in KoE.

BTW, The Innkeeper has 21 slots for characters

In the original KoE there was a recruitable fighter in the Swamp. He would make a good replacement for Drevin in the Peninsula. It is amusing to add Drevin and have him in the party when continuing into DS2, you have 2 drevins on the beach and 1 in the prison :silly:

The Bone Minion Hunt is now underway

The update to DS1_Map_Utraean_Peninsula_Beta31 has the old map name. Therefore it and KillerGremal's Utraean Peninsula Map once again have the same name in the map table. Not an issue when playing just when determining which map you are playing. I know that KillerGremal's Map has the following discription: "- The Wasted Lands of Utrae - never ending adventure through the southwestern ruins of the Empire." Your map has the following discription: "The original multiplayer campaign: Playable and enhanced for Single Player Dungeon Siege 2 and Broken World" However if you do not know that or are not careful you can end up on the wrong map. You may wish to change the name back to what it was in the previous version. Just an observation.

Also strangely it was the male legionnaires as well that went missing. Since in 31m, I added code to them to make them act more like KillerGremal's Utraean Militia, you could think to blame that for the disappearing quirk except the same code updates were applied to the female legionnaires and they appear fine.

Anyhow I have a couple things to try to remedy the situation. One is to play around with the forced and auto expiration class and the other with the base template names.

There's two reasons not all original hireables are available in KOE (and LOA for that matter). The first is the Innkeeper's limited capacity to store them and the second is that DS1 allowed you to use 8 characters while DS2 limits you to 6.

It would be nice to restore all the original hireable characters and I thought of a way that may be done without adding extra characters to the overall pool.

That is adopt one feature from the original Adepts for DS1, where certain characters could only be hired if your hero was a male and others if you were a female. I thought this could even be extended to having extra Dwarves offer to join the party (i.e. Lorun, Rhut, Ulfgrim) if the main hero was a dwarf. The last won't work for DS2 obviously, at least not yet though a playable dwarf hero is possible as I got one working, except the eyes were funny.

The feature of certain characters only offering to join the party if certain conditions were met is something I really love about KOTOR and KOTOR2 and is used extensively in games like the Baldur Gate series. It would even be better if it was tied in with the player's alignment, something not looked at in the DS series. Imagine if instead of a goody goody two shoes hero (yawn) who always saves the day, you were a real Bad Ass who kicks Valdis's butt and/or the Dark Wizards and then instantly takes over from them.

Just daydreaming about the above. It would be certainly possible but the amount of scripting and conversations required would be on par with the development of the Legendary Mod itself. Getting characters to only join the party based on the hero's sex or race on the other hand would be a lot easier and I believe the flick support is there, at least with KillerGremal's content pack with the flick condition bools WhenActorIsMale, WhenActorIsFemale and WhenActorRaceIs.

 
In this context however the WhenSkillLevel... conditions could help too perhaps:

WhenSkillLevelLessThan( listener, "combat magic", 10, true )

WhenSkillLevelGreaterThan( listener, "survival", 3, true )

 
An older but possibly still useful function may be this one:

WhenActorTypeIs( ScreenHero, "melee", 0.3 )

 
Besides of this also simple skrit checks can be performed meanwhile in flick, for example:

WhenSkritBool( "Actor.GetResistance(dmt_fire) >= 0.5", listener )

Here's the second attempt at making the Broken World Dwarf playable in DS2.
http://www.siegetheday.org/~iryan/files/Betav31/DS1_Mod_Playable_Dwarves_DS2_Alpha2.ds2res

Hasn't been tested much at all and there's still the issue with mapping the hair colours onto the heads in DS2 but 3 head variations are available (all in red) plus a npc head in blond. All skin variations are available.

Requires the Legendary Mod Content Beta30 to work and it should work like the dwarf hireables with full support for the extended DS1 armors with the proviso that at the moments the textures will be off until they are redone for the dwarves.

The mod SHOULD be compatible with most of the other character mods unless they have a higher priority (greater than 9999).

So then I shut down DS2, deleted the new save, renamed from .ds2bak1 the save I'd started with and repeated the whole thing only with DS1_Mod_Logic_Beta31k in the Resources folder instead of Beta31m. Different result: there were again no male legionnaires in the town but the ones outside (beyond the scope of the saved game I was starting from) survived being saved and reloaded.

UPDATE 20:11 - so I've been into TankViewer and extracted both logics to more easily compare them through Windows Explorer. The "same code updates" were NOT applied to the females: the npc_base_female_ds1 GAS file is still as of 26/10/2014 whereas npc_base_male_ds1 was modified 09/11/2014 with substantial changes to the template base_npc_male_combative_ds1. I wonder in passing how its [mind] can have two jat_talk = assignments, see that [monster_level_adjust_simple] is one of many new blocks, but can go no further.

Hello Iryan.

On the road through the Utraean Peninsula. Things are looking good, just a few comments about the Crystwind Mines. The ore crusher should have a cover like the one in the Glitterdelve mine since it does not crush anything. I had always wondered how the Duergar got into the Miners Haven and taken over the Crystwind Old Mines. I love your solution, the lore books explaining what happened and the portal. I still wonder if the Gray Dwarf Race, is a dwarf/Seck mix. The reason I say this is that their battle tactics, weapons and how they die are very similar or is it just a trick of the eye in the dim reaches of the old mines? Every thing in the line of quests primary and secondary appears to be working correctly. Have not had any problems with the game getting stupid when saving, or clicking of the Direct Connect Teleport platforms up to this point. It appears to be Ehb Specific, but will keep you advised.

And I also see that you are right about the coding being different between the males and females legionnaires, my bad. There's so many versions of mod_logic.ds2res that sometimes I get them confused when looking at them quickly.

Regardless whether the issue is with the talk flicks or not, I've solved the issue by having their expiration class set to never. I will at some stage try the alternative methods and see if that fixes the problem as well.

The extra coding is mostly superfluous anyhow as the legionnaires rarely are in a combat situation. Though it works quite well as seen with Crusader Goguua as he has the same code. Though I tweaked it so if he gets knocked unconscious, he will recover quite quickly and can be talked to soon after as using the defaults I noticed he remained unconscious for quite a while and then took a correspondingly long time to get to the state where his icon comes back and you can talk to him. With the defaults many players wouldn't notice that they could eventually talk to him and get a quest.

Thanks for pointing out the inconsistencies in the male legionnaires code.

I've sort of ironed out the quirks in displaying different hair colours for the Dwarves in DS2 but had to use a Hex Hack. DS2 seems to have difficulties in displaying the alternative hair colours on the dwarves so I had to use a method used in Broken World to display different hair colours on the Dwarf npcs.

So now the Hair Selection Section of the Hero Selection Menu does nothing for the Dwarves so instead you have to use the Head Selection Section to scroll through the various heads and colours available. As a bonus there's two extra heads available and a total of 21 head and colour variations to choose from versus the default 16 for the other characters (Stonepick's head and Ghastleys Mutton Chop Head).

This Mod should also be compatible with most of the other Character Mods (Untested).
http://www.siegetheday.org/~iryan/files/Betav31/DS1_Mod_Playable_Dwarves_DS2_Beta1.ds2res

So, I was in Eldim and a Dwarf told me of the trouble at Crystwind so I ran over to Glitterdelve to grab Gloern and stopped to pick up Jondar as well then went thru the Glade to Crystwind an recruited Stonepick.

Went the long rout to "convince" Lord Hovarth to STOP his activities (and to munch on a Bone Minion :twisted: )

I looks like both DC's going to the Crypt are Ma Kettle's House

Just a reminder that the Crypt's Radar map is VERY wonky

:silly:

making the plagued carver bats that come up into Zombies or other undead would work better (if its not any trouble)

This was only breakable with a power

for some reason(likely the program messing with my(non-existent)mind) the spider ambush did NOT activate and I did wander around .

I guess there where originally Zurask between the Crypt and Hovarth's Folly that are now Krug. That makes the Lorebook "Zurask in the Peninsula" make sense

My new-for-31m archer and his party have got moving again from Glacern to the Traveler camp.

What's occurring is that the ice archers are shooting too slowly. Going up alone against an isolated one, my archer hero (with a "fast attack" bow, not a "faster" one) was firing two arrows for every one from the ice archer.

Monster-adjust-declare shows typical attack values at level 22 of 100-158 for an ice warrior and 68-107 for an ice archer - which would be a reasonable proportion if the archer was attacking as often as or more often than the warrior. The ice bow if you get one is a "faster attack" weapon. (By the way, the corresponding numbers for an ice mage 82-129; when my hero went up alone against one, he got frozen momentarily almost every time the mage's spell hit him.)