DS1 Legendary Mod for DS2 Beta Thread
| Submitted by iryan on Tue, 2012-04-24 23:39 | ||
This thread is devoted to comments, bug reports and fixes and discussion about the DS1 Legendary Mod for Dungeon Siege 2 and Dungeon Siege 2: Broken World. Full version Installer version DS2 Legendary Mod v1.01 at MODDB Split version Installer version Hotfix for fades issue in Kingdom of Ehb v1.01 Please note that the mod must be installed in the Dungeon Siege 2 resources folder even if you own Broken World. Unexpected glitches will occur if you don't. The installer version also includes a number of min-mods and a simple mod manager to enable them, which isn't available if you download the mod as separate modules below. Here's the links of all required files for the full version as separate modules; Please note that the DS1 Content Pack is included within the mod but for reference here's the separate download link; Mod Game Manual Current Readme for KillerGremal Mods This mod allows players the opportunity to play Kingdom of Ehb, Utraean Peninsula, Legends of Aranna and Yesterhaven from the original Dungeon Siege in Dungeon Siege 2 and it's expansion, with all the benefits that provides. Think of it as more of a remastered version of the original Dungeon Siege than a mere port to a newer engine. The mod is based on Killergremal's original work on the Utraean Peninsula, Kingdom of Ehb and Yesterhaven, found at this thread; https://siegetheday.org/?q=node/1330 Elys All*Saves or Elys' Succubus Manager is recommended to play the mod, which most users of this site probably already use. However either use v1 of All*Saves or turn off the seefar option in the launcher as the mod incorporates seefar moods directly in the maps for better balance without the glitches and distortions caused by using a too high a level of seefar in the launcher. Version 1 of Elys All*Saves is distributed in the installer version in original DS2 (v2.2), Broken World (v2.3) and Steam versions. Partial Language Translations Forum Threads for KillerGremal's Mods +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Please put any comments, suggestions, reports, etc. about user made maps into that thread rather than here. All maps should be fully playable from start to finish but please expect bugs as they are still only alpha versions. forums: |
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I like the snakes as is. They are SUPPOSED to be hard to see, this is realistic. There is a reason why you should NEVER just step over a log when walking in the woods.
I agree with you and most of them are located on the periphery of each region. If you stick to the path you'll miss most of them.
That said, perhaps changing the hit box to make them easier to hit will help solve the issue.
Yeah, but realism ≠ good game design.
Yeah. if you hate actually being able to kill the monsters, but right. a Larger hitbox would at least make it more excusable.
It wouldn't be so bad if you could copy and past the bits of the specific map after said slope. No idea if possible, but it'd be a good idea if it were.
The problem is removing them IS a negative change. The only problem is that I think it could be tweaked to be better - not removed.
I've looked at them, it's just I feel that it shouldn't have to be increased to become readable. Font size is more about resolution - which is admittedly a pretty good point - and old people. I've responded to this point, but I suppose I might be able to explain it better; font-size changing should've been a part of the game from the get-go.
No, I just feel it'd be more user friendly than having to read a number. or having to look up and down a screen - so you only have to focus on one area more.
I'm not saying they should all be given the same weapons or shields, only that sometimes it doesn't make sense. Like when you go into the hidden place and one of them drops a fighting staff. It'd make sense to give them both fighting staves. Say the other doesn't drop because it's broken for whatever reason, and the other is still in pristine condition, hence the enchanted staff dropping.
Just adding these minor details could make it slightly more immersive.
"You angered the NPC by picking up the gold".
The snakes are so easy to kill, can be done by looking at them with an evil grin. They need to be hidden and on the edges of things. Blend in with the grass and rocks and dirt. I some times let them attack me for a long time because they tickle.
I agree with you to a point but there's something you've overlooked.
Is it immersive for creatures such as wolves, bears, phrak and in DS2, bracken, terraks, gila, etc. to drop weapons, armor & gold when they're defeated? Where do they store it, under their skins or did they swallow it and regurgitated them when killed by your party? I believe that's a bigger issue with DS2 than skeletons carrying weapons and shields.
That's why I love Final Fantasy XII and XIII. Creatures only drop fur or items that you could reasonably be expected to find on such animals. Humans can drop gold or weapons as expected. You are expected to sell most of the loot at shops and buy weapons and armor from there.
Contrast that with Dungeon Siege where weapons and armor gained from loot is generally superior to anything you can buy in shops. Ditto enchanting and crafted items.
I've always wanted to make a mod to change the behaviour of the pcontent system in Dungeon Siege to make it more immersive as you say. Then monsters such as wolves would drop fur or wolf jaws, etc, mechanicals would drop iron scraps or copper wire, and so forth. It would also make enchanting more viable and crafting very viable as more items would be available for reagents. I believe this idea has been discussed a few times in the recent past and the problem is that it would be a major undertaking taking a long time to implement and even longer to test properly.
Then in such a mod, humanoid monsters would only drop something that they carried. Mostly broken or damaged and only suitable for selling but sometimes useful for equipping on your characters. Then the skeletons could be changed, though in the case of the puller staff, which I think is the one you're talking about, I can equip one on the skeleton to give the impression that it drops it when defeated. Which is easier for skeletons than other humanoids as they naturally explode on death, thus disintegrating the items they are equipped with. Which if you examine it closely, also breaks immersion as defeated humanoids still hold onto their weapons but you can't pick it up from them.
Understood. However the undead are already angered whenever anyone uses a healing spell or potion, which is also lore friendly. I suppose they also could be angered by the player picking up loot, I guess many things would make the undead angry about their position in life.
My rationalization is that Krug, bandits, pirates, etc. are scavengers and so should be angry at anyone picking up loot they wanted for themselves. There are actually Krug Scavengers encountered at the start of KOE and UT as you know. It is also mentioned in some conversations that the Krug are ransacking the farmlands looking for magic trinkets especially. Gloern's brother mentions as much and refers to Commander Gresh and says that he believes the Goblins are behind it all.
I was thinking about an improvement :
-the possibility to stack objects of a same type (up to 100) like potions and reagents
To be honest, I've thought about this a lot, and I've always come across the idea that it'd heavily unbalance the game - it'd become too easy to run around with a fucktonne of potions and not worry about your space. Regent wise, I don't think it'd be AS unbalanced. There could be a list where they're all stored like in Diablo III, but god knows how hard this would be to put into the game, and even then, it might end up being a large imbalancer too.
In theory, however, it could add more incentive to go out and farm for materials, and that sort of sounds fun - more reason to replay the higher difficulties!
Yeah, but there's a difference of consistent logic in pretty much every single game ever and there being a very good point and finding a skeleton wielding a pickaxe in a trap in a hidden temple. I'm not asking for it to make sense in all cases, just in a small handful of cases, where it feels more like you've found something unique.
You'd have to rebalance the game, no doubt. It'd probably be easier to implement this and make a whole new campaign that supports this type of behavior, and honestly, that'd be really cool.
I'm not sure how I've not noticed the potion aspect of this, unless you're remembering it wrong. No biggie. Anyway, if anything, it should depend on the item that's picked up, or the enemy that's killed. Hell, you could even add where they retreat to a point, but this might once again end up being a case of having to rebalance the entire game. Of course it'd be cool to see as a mod on it's own, and not a part of Legendary Mod.
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I've found a lot more bugs, some of them are probably already known, to be honest. I have some other opinions to add, too.
Torches you light can still be highlighted if you mouse over them. Very minor, but it'd be nice if they didn't.
All of the books should only be sparkling objects that you can click, like in DS2's campaigns so as to be more consistent.
The cellar quest should complete after you kill all of the krug.
It'd be nice if scrolls / chants were automatically added to your lore book.
Various NPCs drop items far away from their corpse, such as skeletons and skrubs.
Some textures don't 'blend' in with the next piece of land. Could easily be updated with textures, though it almost might be better to make a earth chunk that's more specific for this area.
The recruit sign over Ulora isn't directly over her.
You can walk through some doors.
It's awesome to see it finally get here
Re-downloading everything now.
Oh yeah, I was just wondering, is the latest DS1 Content Pack included or should I download 11b as well?
No the latest DS1 Content Pack is included in the current download modules. I thought it would be potentially confusing to users if the mod was marked as v1 but there was an alpha version of the DS1 Content mod which was essential to it.
Of course should KillerGremal make a new update to the DS1 Content mod, it will be a little awkward. Though it should only require an update to the DS1_logic.ds2res and not any of the other files.
You would have to ask KillerGremal why the DS1 Content Pack is still marked as an alpha after all of the time and I suspect the answer would be that there's a lot of unused functions and commands in the pack and therefore largely untested. For instance he has extended the amount of flick functions that are available to modders, many unused by the Legendary Mod main maps though Return to Arhok may use more of those.
I am aware of most of these issues but honestly none of them will ever be completely fixed. I just don't have the time to go through every minor issue and fix it.
The cellar quest had issues when it was required that all "krug" are killed (aren't they spiders though?). The same with the flooded sanctuary quest as well. Often the game misses a kill so then the quest could never be completed. Very frustrating to the player so I chose the lesser evil.
The bug with the doors is associated with those reported with the sanctuary doors, tables and similar furniture. Frequently the game ignores the blocking aspect of these objects, so you can walk through them. Why I don't know, probably for the same reason some triggers fail to work in one position but move them slightly and they suddenly work. So a positional aspect type of bug? I'm sure if I knew beforehand how troublesome this aspect of modding would be and how much of my life would be sucked into trying to fix them, the mod would never have been created.
Hi Eksevis. What a shame you weren't here with your input two or three years ago.
As the title says, what stops it from their being patches? It's productive, makes sense, and NOBODY would blame anyone for patching it, especially if it makes it better. Also, I was talking about The Kingdom of Ehb one. I get that having time is a thing, but does it really matter when it comes out so much that it eventually does? I would love to patch it myself, but I wouldn't really know how to.
Also, for the record, I was here a few years ago.
And while some vertical offsets was accepted in DS1, in DS2 it's not for some reasons (remember the lever placement issue, also not that logical).
For an good/automatic work-around however screen-shots would be helpful, or the position data reported by a Ctrl-Alt-dropped health potion.
A big portion of the flick functions/conditions rather run in the background, hardly evident. Usually you only can say they are OK if they finally don't fail your intentions. :P
...and by the way, I think at Tristram on the Diabloish map there is currently a quite high amount of custom skrit/flick stuff running. Of course a lot of it is effective elsewhere too, but maybe with this density.
Honestly it's not the most significant town/map avaialbe at all, but exactly this makes it a good (urban) showcase to test and implement new things.
You were correct as always, it is indisputably a positional aspect misalignment bug that causes doors or other blocking type objects to suddenly become non-blocking. I made a simply test placing a number of doors and then blocking objects (the tables from the castle set) in a map so that they should block all movement through them.
I then deliberately raised a couple of them slightly above the ground and they became non-blocking. A final test of placing them back on the ground in the Editor then solved the issue and they became blocking again.
So a simple bug which can simply be fixed, assuming all such occurrences of this type can be reported for investigation and bug eradication. So thanks Eksevis for highlighting the issue once again and KillerGremal for the subtle hint which proved very easy to prove.
I know now it's my fault that many sanctuary doors became non-blocking as they often had to be shrunk in order to fit in the passage-ways. However very few doors were altered in the conversion so maybe a few doors have modified meshes in DS2. It may surprise many people that DS2 still has a lot of DS1 meshes in it's assets, though many/most are unused. Some have been modified and re-used, which is why the infamous lever bug first occurred (for those unaware, there's a lever from DS1 that is used in DS2 but has been modified in some way so that it becomes misaligned in DS1 maps. Replacing it with the original DS1 mesh fixes the problem in DS1 maps but causes the lever to sink into the ground in DS2 and so become unusable. The only true fix is to manually re-align every single lever in DS1 maps so they appear floating in mid air in the Editor but are actually touching the wall inside the game).
There is now a little update of the (Monster) Level Adjustment mod available (actually by the same link as before).
Luckily Iryan pointed me recently on a (little) bug that kept as floating intended monster levels too limited.
This bug is fixed now, and there is also now the 'monster_base_density' option - combined with the existing 'monster_bonus_per_member' option it attempts to offer more flexibility concerning varying resp. hardly unpredictable party sizes.
The current default of the 'monster_base_density' is 85% (hence trying to eliminate 15% of the common monsters) while the 'monster_bonus_per_member' is 7% now (recently 6%).
These defaults will become effective as soon as this mod is downloaded+activated for the map you are playing currently.
In theory however a lower base density and a larger addition per member is well imaginable, but as risk-reduction I hesitated a bit because it's not always easy to say (to technically detect) whether a monster is just here to provide fun/loot/exp/... or if this monster possilby has some quest relevance no other monster can perfom.
Version 1.01 of the DS2 Legendary Mod has been released. This is the final public release version of the mod. You can download it either as an installer version (split into 3 due to recalcitrant rules of MEGA NZ, which would otherwise require people to install their desktop app) or as separate modular files.
The installer also includes some mini-mods which can alter behaviour of the mod or includes DS1 style additions. There's a simple preconfigured mod manager to help manage these small mods. It's nothing like the mod managers available for DS1 but its the best I could find.
I plan on putting the mod on Nexus Mods and Moddb at least. It'll probably find its way to other sites as well, if the betas are anything to go by.
So after 8 years since its inception by KillerGremal and 6 years since I became involved, the end of the road is upon us. It would have undoubtable been completed earlier except I had to take a break twice due to modding fatigue, for which I apologise.
So what now for the Dungeon Siege series (not mentioning DS3 as that was just a console derived ripoff)? I still believe that there's untapped potential in the DS2 engine but for some unfortunate mistakes by GPG held it back from every achieving anything like the modding success of DS1. Not understanding your target audience for a game you're making has to be the biggest mistake of all but GPG did it by including the ridiculous CRC check in saved games which inhibited modding. They attempted to target the multiplayer audience while not understanding the importance of supporting modding for the game. This lack of insight would prove to be the downfall of the company, Wildman anybody?
Anyhow I hope everyone enjoys the mod.
The mod is now on both MODDB and Nexus Mods.
We'll see how it goes.
Thanks once again for the tremendous help I've received from everyone here in getting the mod to this point. It wouldn't be possible without you all. I've tried to credit everyone who helped with the mod but if I've overlooked you, please accept my apology.
.. and KillerGremal for giving us so much to get our teeth into. Stupendous achievement.
I've been amusing myself the last two-and-a-half weeks by playing LoA, the one map I never got round to testing before. I've just arrived on Mount Kretch through the portal after killing Nosirrom the lizard king.
Congratulations to you both!
This has been an interesting project to follow these last few years. It also reflects a major investment in both time and modding talent. Kudos for all your hard work and dedication.
kathy
Happy it's done
sad the playtesting is over
I really have over 500 posts on this
with over 400 screenshots 
I might miss getting run-over by a certain Elf
That's a really splendid installer!
I just check out today the maps and everythings seems to work well!
Thanks for all the outstanding efforts!
I will still run you over my lovable
also throwing pies will not stop 
Thank you very much everyone, the mod would never have got to this point without your support and perseverance. It ended up much more than a mere port of the old maps to DS2.
Off topic but there'll still be things to test sometime in the future. Now the Legendary Mod is basically done and dusted, I can move onto finishing Adepts. There is also third party maps for the Legendary Mod which probably could do with finalizing. However I can't even guess when I'll be able to get around to all of this.
We will still be here no matter how long it takes for you to get to Adepts and the third party maps
Hi i need help i have a bug on the ice cave i wont to go to the last secret for the chest but there is the Terrain missing so i cant go there https://imgur.com/a/AY14tuf
I still have items on my to-do-lists... - and even considering the state now, any (testing) feedback would be insightful.
Personally, right now i prefer modding matters that rather seem to require less than 10 hours, and not ~100 or more.
However, if you are bored anyhow and visited already all of the maps shipped with the Legendary Mod
then you possibly may like to try out one of these maps too:
- Dawn of Aranna: https://www.siegetheday.org/?q=node/3582#comment-48145
- Erthos Struggle: https://www.siegetheday.org/?q=node/583
@Donar: Hi there. After a closer look it seems a piece of an icy dungeon wall sticks right in the elevator platform!?
An incorrectly loading map may be caused by other reasons that possibly are not map related at all.
However, should you have boosted/tweaked the sight range, try disabling this and revisit this area again.
Have you tried what KillerGremal suggested?
This particular area in the Alpine Caverns is extremely sensitive to changes in the view distance caused by the All*Saves v2 or Succubus Manager. You haven't mentioned whether you're using these or not so we can only speculate.
In earlier betas there has been a few reports of missing terrain caused by the engine not loading regions that are faded out (many regions are faded out by default and have to be loaded through triggers as otherwise they would overlap the region you're currently in).
I have tweaked the frustrum and view distances in that area to be as stable as possible and I personally didn't encounter any problems even after at least 6 playthroughs using the default launcher. If you are still experiencing problems, could you please give us as much information as possible, i.e. are you using the latest version, where did you download it from, are you using the launcher supplied in the installation program, etc.
I quite agree and things may pop up that wasn't picked in the last play tests of the Legendary Mod and I suspect that bringing DS2 Adepts up to date will be more of a 100 hour job than 10 hours.
I also recommend that everyone try out Dawn of Aranna, it is quite a feat of mapping and caused me to delay releasing the Legendary Mod as I tweaked the frustrums and view distances to similar values used in that map. And of course the Erthos Struggle Map was where the MLA mod originated from.
Hi there, thanks for your repy.
I wanted to try the suggestion from KillerGremal but I didn't find the otpion. I don't change the view distance I've only changed the starting options to width=1366 height=768 fullscreen=true vsync=false maxfps=120 bitonly=true. I use the steam version, but with enabled Broken World so I have the DS2BW_AllSaves_v1 version for Broken World. The Legendary Mod version is the latest version from Moddb.
Maybe it's good to know that I start the game with Steam.
Here is another Screenshot: https://imgur.com/a/iD0iULx
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