Dungeon Siege Adepts 2 for Broken World

I have been wondering about the DS2 Map and Broken World and so far so good.
When I have time I will make some new outfits for the townies so they can all look a bit different. So it is off to the virtual sewing machine.

Iryan when I loaded the test map(s) dated 4-17-2013 I discovered I had no Cat Mansion Characters on the three test maps or any other map except for my party members. I was just wondering what priority the ds2res was tanked at. I retanked the ds2res to a priority of 13,656 and everything is working great. Well except for the type5 boots and gloves being red and black (meaning the game can not find the associated mesh for that character type) The meshes are there I checked both the Cat Mansion Girls and Cat Mansion Boys by Ddilulu/AlphaDD and a few other mods that might cause these issues.

May I order some armor?

I am not a potionaholic!

It's the Mule Whisperer!

Cat Mansion everywhere

I hope they are just sleeping and someone did not cut them down.

Stupid Gloves and Boots

I used a priority of 66666 but will add another 6 to be certain.

As you can notice some npcs in the DS1 Maps (Kingdom of Ehb, Utraean Peninsula, Yesterhaven and Legends of Aranna) will still be unchanged or even messed up. That's because they use different templates which I've yet to change. It also means there's heaps of new skinning opportunities.

I've discovered that it's easy to port the old Cat Mansion helmet heads into DS2 as new armor for the npcs. The only problem is that it's a bit of a headache for the Boys (The girls are fine). Anyone have an idea of how to fix this?

So this also means that the old Cat Mansion meshes could probably be ported over as playable armor as well (similar to type6 armor for the bodies). Gloves and Boots as well.

The Cat Mansion npc Dryads can also wear the npc armors. So most npc texture definitions for the armor will probably work without any changes (except maybe for the skin tones).

I was able to port the Cat Mansion type7 meshes over to DS2 with mixed results

A figure to make girls jealous

Cat Mansion type5 mesh is obviously resized and remade for DS2. It will display the DS1 texture but it's all mixed up and really has to be retextured.

There's also seems to be an alpha problem with the included type6 mesh.

I thought from a camouflage point of view that the dryads might just need a bit of seasonal armor so here is a start.

For the type 2, 3, 4 and 5 it was a simple 256x256 picture of a fall tree with a white alpha channel the type6 has a custom alpha where the area to be skin is black and where the tree shows is white.
I will do some other leafy armor, then it is on to the elves, since they are from the northern reaches I guess the armor should be made from Ice and Snow.

Iryan have some ideas about the armor for the cat boy, I will test my theory and let you know.

This is actually the original DS1 type7 mesh. The DS2 type5 mesh works perfectly but needs a texture made for DS1 to be redone for it as the layout is completely different.

I would attempt to resize the mesh but it requires that the asp file (the name of the model mesh that DS uses) be imported into SiegeMax. Now normally SiegeMax won't allow you to do that but I discovered that Team Elemental made an addon to SiegeMax that allows for the importation of asp files into it. This is obviously how AlphaDD made the Cat Boys able to use DS2 textures by default.

Unfortunately I have absolutely no idea how this can be done. Trying to run the asp script and then importing the asp file leads to an error with the program saying there's no module supporting it's importation.

Even if I was able to import the asp file and then discover how to resize it (I have actually attempted to do this before with the farmgirl/farmboy meshes), there's no guarantee that the DS1 texture will work. It may be necessary to create new texture layouts for the resized mesh.

The same story with the helmets. I successfully imported all the original DS1 helmets into DS2 for use by the Cat Boys and Girls but the Boy's helmets need resizing. The Girls work perfectly. Some of the helmets still look okay on the Boys so I plan to use those for the npcs but for the rest I'm abandoning the idea unless I somewhere can figure out how to import and resize the mesh for the Boys.

This is DS1 type1 armor texture on the DS2 type6 mesh for the Cat Boy. Have you tried with him? I assume it works well with the girls since they've been around for a while but for him it leads to this.

I haven't attempted to port over any of the other armor types except for the DS1 type7 for which I made a new type7 for the Cat Boys and Girls in DS2. As you can see from the previous picture this leads to resizing issues in DS2, no to mention clipping problems with the boots. It looks weird when he walks or run.

I experimented with the DS1 type7 armor first as an experiment. I'm dropping the idea as it's probably just as easy to simply remake the textures if we want to use them in DS2. The DS1 gloves and boots work well but look rather bland in DS2 so aren't really worth making. The DS2 gloves and boots look way better. If we want DS1 armor and boots in DS2 it's better to simply do retextures. They're easy to do and I've made a few which you can see in the test map I recently sent you.

I will have a look at the DS1 type1 armor and the DS2 Cat Masion Boy to see if I can discover why the silly sot is putting the stuff on wrong. Should not do that, since the basic type1 armor layout is the same for all characters be they cat mansion regulars characters. Could be one of the following.
1. Armor has no alpha channel
2. Armor has an alpha channel of the wrong color

I will have a look at the specific armor you posted. Not necessary to give me the number as I know exactly where it is in my files. (the elf has armor memory just like she has a burned in copy of every map she has ever played more than once.)

Thanks AlphaDD brilliant stuff!!

The fixed armor type6 works properly and displays DS1 type1 armor renamed to type6

The rescaling tool is wonderful. Here's the old DS1 type7 converted to DS2 with the relevant nnk file.

The rescaling tool also works on the helmets and now they look way better as you demonstrated with Drevin.

So now there's a smorgasbord of new stuff that can be ported to DS2 and Broken World. Thanks again for all of your hard work!

And yes that's Cat Mansion Drevin who helps out with testing and development.

There was a post here yesterday from AlphaDD and a post from Me. They are gone now. Did someone delete them and if So why? AlphaDD if you read this could you repost your comment about the cat mansion boy and I will upload the Scaling Tool File here.

Scaling Tool

http://www.siegetheday.org/?q=node/2545

I saw both of your posts this morning (Sunday), although I was not logged in at the time. That is kind of weird. AlphaDD's post was pretty extensive too. Hopefully he can re-post it, his work is is pretty interesting.

I have been using this program for a few weeks now for renaming DS1 image files so they can be used in DS2. Its very fast and super easy.

It lives here
http://www.siegetheday.org/?q=node/2549

I was looking at what AlphaDD wrote in the read me file for the scaling tool. From that and the fact that DS1 Type1 becomes DS2 Type6 I am guessing that type2 becomes type7, type3 becomes type8, type4 becomes type9 and so on until you reach DS1 type9 which would become DS2 type14. If I am right let me know since I was about to start processing the DS1 armor images into something that can be used by the DS2 Cat Mansion Characters.

I had a good deal of fun creating some of the alpha channels. I also redid some of the images so there is a difference between the armor for the boys and for the girls, so even if they have the same armor on the armor will not look the same. maybe different colors, maybe different look (alpha channel changes) maybe something else

I've made some more adjustments to the Adepts UI and also included the cat mansion banter icons by Phoenix to the private alpha now in testing.

The framework of the mod is done and now its a matter of balancing and adding in all the new skins, portraits, etc. Hopefully a mod that players will enjoy using.

First I must say the converted armor and weapons look great! I am a little worried about the attack and defense values when my characters reach levels above 50. Just to test the theory I took one of my level 96 rangers and entered Dungeon Siege 2 at the very start and well she never made it off the beach with the armor and weapons. armor with a defense of level 25 just does not work with monsters of level 99 and try to kill one with a bow or knife that has an attack rating of 3 to 6. It is to bad I never figured out how to create progressive armor and weapons like existed in DS1 (magic enchantments) that could be added so as strength, intel and dex increased you could re equip the items for a higher value.

Now a few little things

After the destruction of the Morden towers I went back to the prison to find Warden Celia, She was not at the start of the prison with Nen and Kirani but back at the cells. Not really a problem as I knew she had to be there somewhere but the conversation between her, Kirani and Nen just looks wrong.

Hesla is on the floor of the infirmary next to the bed. did she fall out or did her daughter push her for what she said about the Haku?

The female shop keepers look a bit smaller than the other characters and they have a hard time seeing over the tables they are standing behind.

All in all Iryan things are looking very nice. I will continue testing and see what I see.

I really like the new UI much better for seeing what is going on.

I'm still working on more, plus I will also be refining the ones that are "finished". These are mostly intended to be dryad face skins.

Iffy on the tattoo:

The second image looks cool but they are all great.

There was some magic enchantments that could be added to DS1 armor and weapons that would make the armor have more defense and the weapons have more power as the character using them increased in strength, dexterity and intelligence. That was something I used on almost every item I built for DS1.

However I have not been able to figure out how to do the same thing when creating armor and weapons for ds2 because enchantments are handled different in DS2 or at least it appears that way to me. If someone has a clue as to what I should do throw an answer my way.

The best way to do the scaling weapons/armors in DS2 is by using the primary stats (melee, ranged, combat_magic and nature_magic) instead of the secondary stats (strength, dexterity and intelligence)

I have them in my next version of more hair but RTC is not working for me atm.

      [*]
      {
        alteration    = alter_melee_damage_max;
        value      = (((#melee)*1.0)*1.0);
        duration    = #infinite;
        is_permanent    = true;
        is_single_instance  = false;
      }
      [*]
      {
        alteration    = alter_melee_damage_min;
        description    = "Alters Damage According to Melee Skill";
        value      = (((#melee)*0.8)*0.8);
        duration    = #infinite;
        is_permanent    = true;
        is_single_instance  = false;
      }

     
 [*]
      {
        alteration     = alter_armor;
        description     = "Armor, Health and Mana Bonus based on your prowess";
        duration     = #infinite;
        is_permanent     = true;
        is_single_instance   = false;
        value       = ((0.025 * #combat_magic) + 0.25) * (0.025 * #combat_magic + 0.25);
      }
  /*    [*]
      {
        alteration     = alter_armor;
        duration     = #infinite;
        is_permanent     = true;
        is_single_instance   = false;
        value       = #str*0.10;
      }
      [*]
      {
        alteration     = alter_armor;
        duration     = #infinite;
        is_permanent     = true;
        is_single_instance   = false;
        value       = #dex*0.10;
      }	*/
      [*]
      {
        alteration    = alter_max_mana;
        value      = ((0.4 * #combat_magic) + 0.25) * (0.10 * #combat_magic + 0.25);  // #int*5.0;  // 2000;
      //  description    = "+ Mana";
        duration    = #infinite;
        is_permanent    = true;
        is_single_instance  = false;
      }
      [*]
      {
        alteration    = alter_max_life;
        value      = ((0.25 * #combat_magic) + 0.25) * (0.10 * #combat_magic + 0.25);  // #int*1.75;  // 500;
      //  description    = "+ Health";
        duration    = #infinite;
        is_permanent    = true;
        is_single_instance  = false;
      }

Thanks for the code PhoeniX I will have a look and see what I can do.

If you play through DS2 or Broken World normally you'll see them drop quite frequently. I think about 50% of the spells offered by the merchants are the new ones. Similar story with the armor and weapons.

The spells will be the hardest to balance as we don't want them over powered but we want them to still be worthwhile to use.

There's a lot of animation problems and the timings are completely off with the NIS sequences. For instance the walk animation for the girls is broken, they just glide across the ground. They can't sweep the floors so act as vacuum cleaners instead so I had to cut those animations. I haven't tried substituting the female animations to see if they work but looking at the sizes and file attributes they're all different.

So I'm not sure how to fix all of this. Any ideas anyone?

Yes I noticed that. Some of the lying down characters work others don't. Same with the sitting characters.
This one is a relatively easy fix as it can be mended within the map. I'll just have to move her higher so she doesn't fall out.

These again should be easy to fix as I can make them a little bigger in the instances or alternatively give them stools to stand on. Must be just a visual quirk caused by the benches they're behind as all the characters inherit from the same basic templates and there's no resizing adjustments elsewhere.

Thanks and keep the reports coming.

I like the tattoos and different eyes, helps to give them individuality.

Personally I prefer these types of enhancements to be used with very late game weapons and armor, etc. If the player gets weapons early on that level up with them it kinda defeats the purpose of looking for new weapons and gear.

That said I'm looking at the idea of having ultimate weapons for the mod that act just like this. The idea would be that they can only be obtained around level 100 or so but could be used indefinitely after that. Maybe the mod could even be extended for play over level 100 inline with some of the work Phoenix has already done in this direction.

I know with the level adjustment mod that it doesn't just increase a monster's level but also gives them a bonus to their basic attributes as well. This seems to stack with Aranna Legacy as when I used that mod in testing even level 40 monsters were way too tough for me even with the internal map difficulty set way down to 50%. KillerGremal is looking at this.

Maybe the base weapon and armor templates need tweaking so they stack up better at higher levels. I'm open to suggestions.