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So for the most part I rarely if ever try to do things with asp files, cobra files, boa files etc. Sorry I am sometimes over run by puns. That happens to people who tend to see more than one meaning in everything. Like the other day I was making a tuna sandwich and had the two following thoughts. 1. how do you tune a fish, use the sea scale and 2, If I where a witch I would not be a sand witch just because of all the odd places sand gets stuck if you are a bare elf.